How does editing a page in a WYSIWYG work?
The structure of Elements is essentially the same as a Frontier site--a
template, a content element, scripts, and "includes"--so maybe someone could
describe how WYSIWYG editing would work with Frontier. Is it possible to
duplicate ZPT in Frontier?

Does WYSIWYG mean editing only the content or editing the entire development
structure? I can't see how you could edit the development structure (e.g. the
results of scripts or complicated includes) in a WYSIWYG editor. It doesn't
make sense to edit a site-wide item in the context of a single page.

thx

David Carter-Tod wrote:

> Read on the web at http://community.scriptmeridian.org/16781
> ----------------------------------
>
> At 06:29 PM 4/20/2002 -0400, Nicholas Riley wrote:
> > > ... So, in effect, it's more like SSI than like
> > > Frontier's template insertion.
> >
> >Zope has a new templating language, ZPT, which is extremely neat
> >looking, because you can edit a page from a WYSIWYG editor. All of the
> >inserted code goes into tag attributes.
>
> Sam Reynolds says:
> >ZPT is just another new language to learn.
> >It perpetuates the unfortunate approach of requiring
> >a writer (content developer) to put non-content stuff
> >into the content.
>
> also:
> >I like Zope. But it does the templates inside-out.
> >
> >In Zope, you have to put formatting blocks in every
> >content page. It's a big improvement over having to
> >maintain the entire final HTML in each page, but it's
> >still unfriendly to non-techies. (And this techie
> >doesn't care for it, either!)
>
> I've spent some fairly considerable time trying to work with Zope and this
> was a frustrating feature to me too.
>
> ZPT doesn't fix this either. In fact, you could argue that it makes it
> worse, because a non-techie could (more) easily remove an element without
> realizing its significance.
>
> The Zope CMF (content management framework) addresses this problem. The
> template is more truly a template in the Frontier sense and the content is
> abstracted from the presentation much more. It is somewhat like manila in
> conception (I emphasize "somewhat"), but I was never able to get it working
> properly.
>
> My experience is still fairly limited, but the CMF has had dependencies and
> version requirements that are a little tricky to sort out. One of the
> things I was warned about when starting to experiment with Zope was that
> breakage with upgrades was not uncommon and this has proven to be the case.
>
> I'd also say that moving from a base CMF to a production version would not
> be for the faint-hearted. You'd really need to understand the
> core. Documentation is more along the lines of "read the code".
>
> In short, it didn't turn out to be the panacea I was hoping for (nothing
> ever is).
>
> David
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