Re: Winerlog moved to faster server
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<x-flowed iso-8859-1>À (At) 08:44 -0800 05/02/02, Henri Asseily écrivait (wrote) :
>Pathetic and sad, considering the potential of the software.
I concur. Its sad to see how much Frontier talents are lost in
personal wars, especially when Radio offer so much potential, to a so
much wider audience than Frontier, and that's mean jobs for Frontier
and Radio developers. I don't want to take part in a flame war, but
its sad to see such a great Frontier talent as David always in a
collision course with Dave (the reverse is true I guess).
We all know how Dave can behave sometimes, but it doesn't help either
that developers push a site like winerlog. Frontier developers are
free to do as they want, but IMO, they just shoot themselves in the
foot when they support winerlog. Not because winerlog make parodies
of Dave Winer (parodies that are not even very good), that's ok with
me ("qui sème le vent récolte la tempête"), but the people at
winerlog doesn't distinguish between the software and the CEO. I
don't think that anyone on this list think that Frontier/Manila/Radio
are crap, but that's what the winerlog people seems to think. Does
the developers employed at UserLand deserve this (Brent, Jake, Doug)?
Think a little bit about it. We all like to have a villain to shoot
at. But do we have to shoot at ourselves when a new UserLand product
offer so much promise?
The Frontier developers have to leverage themselves in something else
that is not personnal and try to organize themselves in a way that
will try to go above the personal conflicts. We already have this
great resource, scriptmeridian.com. Why not try to use it to elect a
board of developers that will have for mandate to find solutions to
conflicts and promote a list of urgent bugs fix and features on which
the community could vote.
In return, I think UserLand should have somebody (Brent?) which could
be nominated to "developers relations". So this board could discuss
privately with the UserLand interlocutor for the developers and then
publish each month a report on what have been
discussed/fixed/created...
Mes deux sous...
Cheers
-Emmanuel
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Emmanuel Décarie - Consultant
Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
UserLand Frontier - Perl - JavaScript - AppleScript - HTML - XML
http://www.scriptdigital.com
---> The Frontier Newbie Toolbox:
<http://www.scriptdigital.com/fnt/frontierNewbieToolbox.html>
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>Pathetic and sad, considering the potential of the software.
I concur. Its sad to see how much Frontier talents are lost in
personal wars, especially when Radio offer so much potential, to a so
much wider audience than Frontier, and that's mean jobs for Frontier
and Radio developers. I don't want to take part in a flame war, but
its sad to see such a great Frontier talent as David always in a
collision course with Dave (the reverse is true I guess).
We all know how Dave can behave sometimes, but it doesn't help either
that developers push a site like winerlog. Frontier developers are
free to do as they want, but IMO, they just shoot themselves in the
foot when they support winerlog. Not because winerlog make parodies
of Dave Winer (parodies that are not even very good), that's ok with
me ("qui sème le vent récolte la tempête"), but the people at
winerlog doesn't distinguish between the software and the CEO. I
don't think that anyone on this list think that Frontier/Manila/Radio
are crap, but that's what the winerlog people seems to think. Does
the developers employed at UserLand deserve this (Brent, Jake, Doug)?
Think a little bit about it. We all like to have a villain to shoot
at. But do we have to shoot at ourselves when a new UserLand product
offer so much promise?
The Frontier developers have to leverage themselves in something else
that is not personnal and try to organize themselves in a way that
will try to go above the personal conflicts. We already have this
great resource, scriptmeridian.com. Why not try to use it to elect a
board of developers that will have for mandate to find solutions to
conflicts and promote a list of urgent bugs fix and features on which
the community could vote.
In return, I think UserLand should have somebody (Brent?) which could
be nominated to "developers relations". So this board could discuss
privately with the UserLand interlocutor for the developers and then
publish each month a report on what have been
discussed/fixed/created...
Mes deux sous...
Cheers
-Emmanuel
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Emmanuel Décarie - Consultant
Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
UserLand Frontier - Perl - JavaScript - AppleScript - HTML - XML
http://www.scriptdigital.com
---> The Frontier Newbie Toolbox:
<http://www.scriptdigital.com/fnt/frontierNewbieToolbox.html>
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Re: Winerlog moved to faster server
2/5/2002 by Steve Ivy
<x-flowed>Emmanuel, Thanks for the ideas, and the bit of comment sense, too. I hope that we as Frontier developers can take
2/5/2002 by Steve Ivy
Re: Winerlog moved to faster server
2/5/2002 by Philippe Martin
<x-charset iso-8859-1>Bravo Manu! Flip At 12:19 -0500 05/02/02, Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote: >À (At) 08:44 -0800 05/02/02,
2/5/2002 by Philippe Martin
Think positive: Frontier and Radio board of developers
2/6/2002 by Emmanuel. M. Decarie
<x-flowed iso-8859-1>So, what do you think of this proposition? À (At) 12:19 -0500 05/02/02, Emmanuel. M. Decarie écrivait
2/6/2002 by Emmanuel. M. Decarie